Is this the Zoltan who used to moderate this group?  Whoever he is, he teaches at my alma mater. It's interesting that he places me in a camp of people who call the Libyan rebels as contras - I am the only one I know of.  If my gang thinks its about oil, if I knew who they were, I'd tell them it's more complicated than that, it's about geopolitical control. Oil was only one consideration when it came to Iraq - the US had decided it needed a more reliable base in the mideast than the Saudis, and it looked like a place that had been battered for a decade and a half by war, sanctions, and that had disarmed itself was a good bet. Squeezing China and Russia out of Libya and Syria, and stopping the independent development of Africa are some of the goals in this round of imperialism. Since NATO began bombing Libya in March, the global peace movement  has been split into two camps. One side portrays the bombing campaign  as a "humanitarian intervention" to protect Libyan civilians, comparing  it to 1990s attacks on Serbia. This side tends to downplay reports of  civilian casualties from the bombings and rebel attacks, and depicts the  Libyan rebels as armed pro-democracy protesters. The other side asserts  the NATO actions have more to do with oil than with human rights, and  that the West exercises a double standard by backing dictators in Yemen,  Bahrain and elsewhere. This side tends to depict Qaddafi as an  anti-imperialist (which the US has been gunning for since Reagan's 1986  bombings), and the Libyan rebels as Contras motivated by tribal  loyalties or jihadism. Some war opponents (such as myself) agree that Qaddafi is a tyrant  who has lost his past anti-imperialist credentials–by collaborating with  conservative politicians and the CIA– and sympathize with pro-democracy  protesters. But we still oppose the NATO bombing–on the grounds that  two wrongs don't make a right. Toppling a murderous dictator should not  be a rationale for imposing Western domination. The most important  period in the Libya War is not during the fighting, but after the  fighting ceases, because that is when we will see if Libya will continue  as a truly independent country, or follow the path of Iraq and  Afghanistan. No matter what our stand on the NATO intervention, the antiwar  movement could unite around a common demand of letting Libya continue to  be ruled by Libyans. If the motives for NATO intervention were so  humanitarian, and the revolution so democratic, then surely the NATO  powers would now renounce any spoils of war for themselves. They could  now withdraw completely from Libyan military, economic and political  decision-making, preferring to leave those decisions to the Libyan  people themselves. Specifically, Western powers should renounce the use  of Libyan military bases, let Libya's oil economy primarily benefit the  Libyan people, and avoid the temptation to steer Libyan politics and  station advisors in Libyan government ministries. No Foreign Military Bases One of the patterns of recent U.S. military interventions is that  they have left behind new, permanent military bases that have expanded  the U.S. military sphere of influence into the Middle East, Central  Europe and Central Asia. The bases are not simply stationed in order to  wage the wars, but the wars are wages in order to station the bases. The  bases enable the U.S. to further interfere in domestic politics, and  serve as a tripwire for military intervention. The string of new bases  from Bosnia to Afghanistan not only host military personnel, aircraft  and surveillance, but private security contractors who have become the  mercenaries of the 21st century. Under the Libyan monarchy, U.S. had a key military base just outside  Tripoli.  At least 4,600 Americans were stationed at Wheelus Air Base,  which was run by the Strategic Air Command. The U.S. Ambasador to Libya  called the base "a Little America…on the sparkling shores of the  Mediterranean." The Americans left in 1970, eight months after Qaddafi  came to power, and the installation was taken over by the Libyan Air  Force, which sustained damage in Reagan's 1986 bombing attack. A decade  later, the base became the Mitiga civilian airport. The U.S. had no permanent military bases left in Africa, until  Djibouti agreed to host a base after 9/11. The Pentagon set up its  Africa Command in 2008, but no African country has so far agreed to host  AFRICOM headquarters (even the traditional U.S. client state of  Liberia), so the HQ is still in Stuttgart, Germany. The Libya War was  AFRICOM's first combat action, and the Pentagon will probably seek a new  Libyan home for AFRICOM. NATO forces have had "zero casualties" in Libya, while many Libyans  have died in their civil war. The Obama Administration is hoping that  the bombing campaign helps to lessen the "Iraq Syndrome" that (like the  so-called Vietnam Syndrome) made the public averse to foreign  interventions. For the first time in world history, an overconfident  country feels it can wage war with absolutely no risk to its own  forces–guaranteeing that it will intervene in more wars. Clinton's  zero-casualty Kosovo War made the Afghanistan and Iraq wars more likely,  and Obama's zero-casualty Libya War could make U.S. citizens more  likely to accept a future intervention in Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, or  beyond. No Foreign Economic Domination If Iraq is any guide, the Western reconquest of Libya could lead to  new frenzy of privatization, particularly in rebuilding the energy and  water infrastructure damaged in the bombing and civil war.  Qaddafi  himself has carried out neoliberal economic policies, but has left the  key pillar of the economy in state hands. Although Western oil companies  have long been present in Qaddafi's Libya, so far the National Oil  Company (NOC) controls about 50 percent of the oil resources. Qaddafi  threatened in 2009 to nationalize the rest, as well as to invite in  Russian and Chinese competitors. Now that Qaddafi is out of the picture,  Western companies see a new opening in the rebel-led government. But  would a new rebel government prefer that the profits for Libyan oil go  to foreigners, instead of Libya's own development? If their revolution  is truly democratic, part of a real democracy would be that the profits  from Libyan oil benefit the Libyan people. In a November 6, 2007 U.S. Embassy cable "Growth of Resource  Nationalism in Libya" (recently released by Wikileaks), staffer Chris  Stevens warned that "the removal of U.S. and UN sanctions and Libya's  attendant opening to the world have prompted a resurgence of measures  designed to increase the Government of Libya's control over and share of  revenue from hydrocarbon resources." He also relayed "a growing concern  in the International Oil Company community that NOC, emboldened by  soaring oil prices and the press of would-be suitors, will seek better  terms on both concession and production-sharing agreements… Libyan labor  laws have also been amended to 'Libyanize' the economy in several key  sectors." Stevens concluded that "Effective U.S. engagement on this  issue should take the form of demonstrating the clear downsides to the  Government of Libya of pursuing this approach, particularly with respect  to attracting participation by credible international oil companies in  the oil/gas sector and foreign direct investment." Whether or not the Libya War has been another Western war for oil, in  the case of France toppling Qaddafi is the last battle in its war for  uranium. African uranium is to (nuclear energy-reliant) France what  Persian Gulf oil is to the United States. Since the 1970s, French forces  have battled Libyan troops in the uranium-rich Tibesti Mountains of  northern Chad, a region coveted by both countries.  It comes as no  surprise that France led the charge to dismantle Qaddafi's nuclear  program and then to eliminate him, thereby having unfettered future  access to the region's nuclear fuel. No Foreign Advisors In Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. positioned "advisers" in the  ministries of the new governments it installed in power. These advisers  have led the privatization of industries, and made the governments  economically dependent on foreign aid and NGOs, and corporate expertise  and infrastructure, rather than training the population how to develop  their own economy. The same pattern may reoccur in Libya, though perhaps  in the guise of the United Nations and foreign NGOs. It will be telling  to see if the Libyan rebels' transitional government can demonstrate  true independence on foreign policy, for example on the questions of  Palestinian statehood and bolstering the African Union. Western security advisers also tend to exacerbate internal  differences (religious, ethnic, and tribal) by dividing the population  into "Good Guys" who cooperate with Western plans, and "Bad Guys" who  oppose them. As shown in Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention Pakistan,  Yemen, Somalia, etc.) these divisions do not correspond to a commitment  to human rights.  Yesterday's thuggish friends can easily become today's  thuggish enemies, or (as in case of Libyan jihadist rebels) the other  way around.  Even if they try to reconcile warring factions, foreign  advisors also tend to leave out civil society (such as the women, the  youth, and elders who have traditionally had an internal peacemaking  role), giving a voice only to warlords who have their own militias. If the Western powers wish to portray their war aims as humanitarian,  they should renounce any designs for military bases, economic control,  or government advisers in Libya. But I'm not holding my breath. Some of  the Libyan rebel leadership have enjoyed close relations in exile with  U.S., British and French intelligence agencies (much like the  Western-rehabilitated Qaddafi), and show no signs of reigning in foreign  oil companies. The global human rights community has to hold both  Qaddafi and rebel forces accountable to the Libyan people, and demand  that their own governments not pressure Libyans to accept a long-term  foreign presence. The global peace movement can continue its debate over  the war, but unite around the demand of "Libya for the Libyans." Dr. Zoltan Grossman is a professor of geography  at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington. He is a civilian  Member of the Board of G.I. Voice, an antiwar veterans group that runs  the Coffee Strong resource center for soldiers outside Fort Lewis: http://www.coffeestrong.org  His website is at http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz and he can be reached at grossmaz@evergreen.edu  
 
I hope he is similarly simplifying the view of the humanitarian interventionists, because Serbia is not a model for anything that anybody should follow. If leftists believe that was successful, they haven't been reading the left press, they've fallen prey to mainstream propaganda again. Clinton should be on trial for war crimes in that intervention.
 
Grossman sets up something of a strawman in the 2nd paragraph.  Who, other than a fascist, would not sympathize with pro-democracy  protesters?  It's CIA assets and NATO-trained, armed and directed contras I don't like. It's kind a rhetorical question, but what is worse, somebody who lost anti-imperialist credentials, or somebody that is starting out without any?
 
However, the deed is now done, and I agree, we can certainly unite around the demand of "Libya for the Libyans."
And I want a pony for Christmas.
 
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/07/libya-for-libyans/Libya for Libyans
 							  	
 
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Wednesday, September 07, 2011
[ItsAllAboutMeMan] Libya for Libyans
September 7, 2011
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