The relaunch offers many interesting and exciting dramatic possibilities. For example, with the destruction of the Planet Vulcan, they can introduce Vulcanite, which will raise the stakes of any Spock endangerment plot device tremendously.
Hey Mr Whippy,On the Hollywood answer that makes sence, when you look at it from a makeup point of veiw. I'm sure that the makeup depts of the various hollywood studios got better with a refinement of what they can offer between the 50-60's and todays productions. But a bag load of money (like a few million or tens of million dollars) wouldn't go astray.At least from our point of veiw the Klingons of Picards days certianly look a more fearsome warrior and definately more alien than the ones we met in Kirk and Spocks days.Someone posted a few days ago a suggestion that those original Klingons may have been either Eugenics experiments either from about a century before John Archers Enterprise. Even the possibility of a blending of some of Kahn's super humans and Klingons after theire exile from Earth. Those Superhuman's certianly would posses the strength to be able to physically match it with a Klingon in hand to hand combat. For some that would be a dilution of the Klingon Race.But for me that posses a problem in that there was only maybe between one and 5 ships in total of Kahn's Super Human's. At a guess no more than 10,000 or less super humans. With a such a smallish number, its hard to say that these superhuman/humanistic Klingons could really become a serious political rival to the (knobbled head) Klingons (like Worf) that we met in the days of TNG.One thing though in one of the Str Trek Movies, Micheal Dorn took on the role of a Grandfather of Worf. A lawyer who defends Kirk and Bones before the Klingon High Council. Can't remember the characters name, but he was alot more humanistic in appearance than Worf ever was on the Enterprise about 70 to 80 years after those events.All this makes me wonder if when the Federation formed an Alliance with the Klingons after the destruction of Praxis, that at some point they came across those Humanistic Klingons? Or did their rival Klingons wipe them out for the sake of the purity of the race of Klingons......Guess we will never know for sure. As its not being writen about in books, comics or have some sort of explaination appear in a Star Trek TV show and definately unlikely in a movie. But with the JJ Adams revitalisation of Star Trek in Kirks Days. Makes you wonder if there is a chance that we will see those Humanistic Klingons again. Its hard to say but its possible that at the end of the recent movie is at the time just before the last Human Klingon war. That means its possible to see a divergence of Star Trek History appear from the one we are already familiar with. We's already seen a small indication of it with Uhura's relationship with Spock, as an unofficial couple. Not quite the wonaniser of Kirk, but certianly different. Something that never occurred in the days of the original Kirk (William Shatner).Cheers Gary
From: fasbinder_62_4000 <algernon_starkly@hotmail.co.uk>Sent: Mon, 9 August, 2010 5:15:20 PM
Subject: [Zombies_March_On] Re: Klingon Evolution, marmite cheeks no more
cor, you know your stuff Gary.
The obvious answer is that make-up techniques were slightly more advanced in the 90s, but staying within the mythos I was developing a nice little theory concerning that episode when Worf devolved back to one of his ancestral forebears. What if that savage spiky race of critters had savagely colonised the chocolate-faced Klingons at some point between the end of the original series and the first film.
But that doesn't add up because there are too many old Klingons knocking around in the Next Generation, and as you say; there was that episode where the Klingon messiah was cloned and he was a mars bar head.
It is a great mystery to be sure..
--- In Zombies_March_On@yahoogroups.com, gary pittman <mk1926@...> wrote:
>
> Acording to Star Trek Mythology there is two branches or races of Klingons.
>
> The first being the more human like that Kirk orginally met during his first 5
> year mission on the Enterprise. But in the years after this first meeting of
> Kirk those Klingons either lost favour within the Klingon Society or were
> defeated by way of a civil war. These Klingons almost come across as half breeds
> rather than full blooded Klingons in their humanistic like appearance.
>
> I have only found this mentioned only once in a Star Trek comic, called "Star
> Trek Debt of Honour". Capt/Admiral Kirk and the crew of the Uss Enterprise find
> themselves teamed with Klingons and Romulans to fight a galactic threat that no
> government dears to admit exists.....It was published back in 1992 by DC Comics
>
> It starts with Kirk getting nightmare like flash backs to the final
> battle/moments on the Genisis planet. But is actually set not long after
> returning to Earth after ST4 "The Voyage home", where Kirk and co rescued those
> Humpback Whales and that Whale researcher. But even here there is some more
> history of who or what this deadly threat is. That comes from the days that Kirk
> was a Lietenant on board the USS Farragut. There is also flashbacks involving
> the Enterpise Crew from the TOS days. Amazingly I can't seem to find any name
> for this mysterious threat that Kirk, his crew, the Enterprise, the Klingons and
> the Romulans do battle with.
>
>
> At some point within the epilog of this story there is a mention of why the
> Human like Klingons are no longer seen when intergalactic powers deal with
> Klingons after the events of this story.
>
> The second being the Klingons we are familiar with from the days of Star Trek
> The Next Generation. According to the mythology these are the true full blooded
> warriors that are decended from Kahless and rightful heirs to the ways of the
> Warrior and are the dominant power of the Klingon territory after Kirk's days.
>
> Cheers Gary
>
>
>
>
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> From: fasbinder_62_4000 <algernon_starkly@...>
> To: Zombies_March_On@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 7:36:22 PM
> Subject: [Zombies_March_On] Klingon Evolution, marmite cheeks no more
>
> Â
> I know that Worf said in Deep Space 9 that Klingons don't like to talk about it
> but I feel the time has come. I speak of the great evolutionary transition the
> Klingon race made between the original series of Star Trek (the 'Chocolate-Face
> Klingons') to the Next Generation Star Trek. (the 'Mars Bar Head Klingons')
> Has this ever been dealt with in any of the spin-off Star Trek novels?
>
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