(like that "o holy night" you passed along).
oh well, I guess that sort of thing doesn't come along every day.
What did you think of Telex's Rock Around The Clock?
When I first moved to Olympia, I mean the very first day, I plugged in
the radio, turned it to KAOS (expecting to hear Frank Zappa or Emerson
Lake and Palmer, that being the format they played when I visited the
campus (4 years before - silly me to think that college radio would
maintain the same format) - and that was the first thing I heard. The
DJ was Bruce Pavitt. I called up and requested more. He said
"somebody called and said they thought that was really cool."
I got to know Bruce - I stayed up all night once helping him paste Sub
Pop (when it was a zine) to he could meet a printing deadline the next
day. There was much history.
The last time I saw him was at the Tropicana reunion show, where he
pretended to not know me. He pretended to not be him. What a prick.
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:10:25 -0800, Mark Simmons
> I checked out the first track offered up by Liberty Smith (pseudonym?)
> called 'changing'. I gotta' say, the guy can't sing, period. He said
> so up front though, so I wasn't expecting much.
> Other than that, it sounds like he's got a little gear to play with.
> Unremarkable is accurate. I can't think of a single thing to say about
> it.
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:16:43 -0800, Matt Love
> > byrdbrane wrote Re: Looking for critiques:
> >
> > "Fair enough: here, then, is your dilemma as I see it. You are
> > admittedly not a singer, and lyrics aren't your strong point, so
> > what's left: the overall sound, the melody, the aural atmosphere, is
> > everything. Therefore, as long as your tracks are low-fi and under-
> > produced, AND your melodies unremarkable, you're like a morbidly
> > overweight mountain climber wearing ankle weights."
> >
> > I gotta check this stuff out -
> > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/libertysmithmusic.htm
> >
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> > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:49:49 -0800 (PST)
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> > 1. Re: heres a couple for you
> > From: Brian M
> > 2. Most Popular songs from Platinum Plus...
> > From: Platinum Plus
> > 3. Re: heres a couple for you
> > From: how_in_hell_did_i_end_up_here
> > 4. Re: Looking for critiques
> > From: byrdbrane2
> > 5. Unplugged and Na*k*ed
> > From: Louden Swain
> > 6. Re: Looking for critiques
> > From: "malverne6"
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:19 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Brian M
> > Subject: Re: heres a couple for you
> >
> > Great poems, So much emotion-these are the best
> >
> > candiegurl10
> > - i havent posted in a while so heres a couple poems for yOu.
> > u may like them you may not. that is not really the issue is it?
> > because it seems latley that no one has done anything but bash other
> > peopls work (not just mine other peapoles to)
> >
> > 10 angels
> > 10 angels had a heart attck when you opened youre mouth
> > and the rage of those angels is more then just a cross to bear
> > im sorry that i said what i said but give me a little credit
> > you myswell have kiled me in the first place so when i tell you to go
> > ahead and stick a knife in my stomach and twist i didnt know
> > i didnt know what that would mean to you
> > walking on my tip toes trying not to hurt you
> > and you lay yourself out in front of me sacrafice yourself to the
> > restless demigod
> > only out to see you not touch you
> > be with you but never meant to love you
> > was my first mistake giving in or was it holding out?
> > when my heart held on to veery single doubt
> > and theres too much you dont know about me
> > too much i dont show you
> > too much you cant see
> > i didnt want to be who everyone else was too you
> > im sorry i really am
> > that i guess i hurt you again
> > my skin is thinck but it feels thin
> > and my words are merely my defense
> > but i never realized what they meant to you
> > it means too much to me to have you in my arms
> > and my heart isnt what i thought it was - it isnt afterall so hard
> > but im fragile these days
> > and i hate being that way
> > cuz this is my dear, the war iv waged
> > i put myself opposite the world
> > my dreams drift to degrees of violence i forget that i am capable of
> > and you bring back some memories that make me feel helpless
> > and im a rag doll in the air
> > nowhere to sit i am shelfless
> > loveless
> > careless
> > sinful-so i confess i confess to you once again
> > in the night i know they will come back to me you never forget
> > never forget darling, never forget that look in my eyes
> > a sadistic smile devine
> > my skin sinking deeper getting paler by the second
> > my dark lipstick englufing the nuetrality
> > and vanishing to a side that no longer exists as i change to the
> > stranger cloaked in black
> > cuz i AM coming back im coming back for more
> >
> > testament
> > this is my testament to a life barley lived
> > this is my frequency all of wich i can give
> > youre voice is a dark stain on my blanket
> > your eyes a dark stain on my memory
> > youre words are the definiton of my pain and it stings it hurts
> > please dont hurt me
> > im strong but youre going to reduce me go on
> > im in peices our lives in a rubble mess of brick and pretty things
> > so i beg
> > the vines of time creep slowly thru my mind
> > youre an orange light that shimmers youre a little red exit sign
> > emorage madness a hint of whats tragic
> > and its not me not me not me that you need
> > bad seed to bruise its dirty, its clean
> > its everything you need
> > im everything, everything you could need with a jacket of black
> > ademonic spakel to my eyes this little ragdoll was taken by the wind
> > stolen to the sky
> > where i will cease to live but never die
> > the tye the ends the nerves the threads will eventully frey and sever
> > and we will be gone forever and ever
> > finishing touches on the casket body in a basket
> > hand over youre mouth
> > you me 5 bucks a conversation some coffe its all we need all we need
> > im nothing i am nothing im empty got nothing theres nothing in cant
> > you see there isnt anything there so just stop searching
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:53:45 -0800 (PST)
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> > Subject: Most Popular songs from Platinum Plus...
> >
> > Hate On Me
> > Dedication
> > Holla At Cha Boy
> > Don't Cha Wanna
> > Rock & Roll
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> > Make That Money
> > Change
> > Keep It Gangsta
> > Press Your Luck
> > Jack Of All Trades
> > Let Me Hit That
> > Life
> > Lost & Confused
> > What It Is Folk
> > Feel Right
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:56:38 -0000
> > From: how_in_hell_did_i_end_up_here
> > Subject: Re: heres a couple for you
> >
> > Candie dear,
> > You have some good lines, but you have to read through a lot of self
> > pity to find them. You just talk too much girl. And your spelling
> > is ... Let's see if I can say this in a nice way ... It SUCKS!!!
> > "I'm a rag doll in the air
> > Nowhere to sit, I am shelfless
> > Loveless
> > Careless"
> > That's pretty good. You could write a whole song around those lines.
> > Just do it without rambling.
> > And:
> > "You're an orange light that shimmers
> > You're a little red exit sign
> > And it's not me, not me, not me that you need."
> > Bob Dylan can't write any better than that.
> > You just need to toss out all the chit chat and write songs or poems,
> > Don't write letters to yourself.
> > And Jeezus fukkin' Chryst .... Work on your spelling!
> > Peace,
> > Wiz.
> >
> > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, "candiegurl10"
> >
> > >
> > > - i havent posted in a while so heres a couple poems for yOu.
> > > u may like them you may not. that is not really the issue is it?
> > > because it seems latley that no one has done anything but bash
> > other
> > > peopls work (not just mine other peapoles to)
> > >
> > > 10 angels
> > > 10 angels had a heart attck when you opened youre mouth
> > > and the rage of those angels is more then just a cross to bear
> > > im sorry that i said what i said but give me a little credit
> > > you myswell have kiled me in the first place so when i tell you to
> > go
> > > ahead and stick a knife in my stomach and twist i didnt know
> > > i didnt know what that would mean to you
> > > walking on my tip toes trying not to hurt you
> > > and you lay yourself out in front of me sacrafice yourself to the
> > > restless demigod
> > > only out to see you not touch you
> > > be with you but never meant to love you
> > > was my first mistake giving in or was it holding out?
> > > when my heart held on to veery single doubt
> > > and theres too much you dont know about me
> > > too much i dont show you
> > > too much you cant see
> > > i didnt want to be who everyone else was too you
> > > im sorry i really am
> > > that i guess i hurt you again
> > > my skin is thinck but it feels thin
> > > and my words are merely my defense
> > > but i never realized what they meant to you
> > > it means too much to me to have you in my arms
> > > and my heart isnt what i thought it was - it isnt afterall so hard
> > > but im fragile these days
> > > and i hate being that way
> > > cuz this is my dear, the war iv waged
> > > i put myself opposite the world
> > > my dreams drift to degrees of violence i forget that i am capable of
> > > and you bring back some memories that make me feel helpless
> > > and im a rag doll in the air
> > > nowhere to sit i am shelfless
> > > loveless
> > > careless
> > > sinful-so i confess i confess to you once again
> > > in the night i know they will come back to me you never forget
> > > never forget darling, never forget that look in my eyes
> > > a sadistic smile devine
> > > my skin sinking deeper getting paler by the second
> > > my dark lipstick englufing the nuetrality
> > > and vanishing to a side that no longer exists as i change to the
> > > stranger cloaked in black
> > > cuz i AM coming back im coming back for more
> > >
> > > testament
> > > this is my testament to a life barley lived
> > > this is my frequency all of wich i can give
> > > youre voice is a dark stain on my blanket
> > > your eyes a dark stain on my memory
> > > youre words are the definiton of my pain and it stings it hurts
> > > please dont hurt me
> > > im strong but youre going to reduce me go on
> > > im in peices our lives in a rubble mess of brick and pretty things
> > > so i beg
> > > the vines of time creep slowly thru my mind
> > > youre an orange light that shimmers youre a little red exit sign
> > > emorage madness a hint of whats tragic
> > > and its not me not me not me that you need
> > > bad seed to bruise its dirty, its clean
> > > its everything you need
> > > im everything, everything you could need with a jacket of black
> > > ademonic spakel to my eyes this little ragdoll was taken by the
> > wind
> > > stolen to the sky
> > > where i will cease to live but never die
> > > the tye the ends the nerves the threads will eventully frey and
> > sever
> > > and we will be gone forever and ever
> > > finishing touches on the casket body in a basket
> > > hand over youre mouth
> > > you me 5 bucks a conversation some coffe its all we need all we
> > need
> > > im nothing i am nothing im empty got nothing theres nothing in cant
> > > you see there isnt anything there so just stop searching
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:48:30 -0000
> > From: byrdbrane2
> > Subject: Re: Looking for critiques
> >
> > Fair enough: here, then, is your dilemma as I see it. You are
> > admittedly not a singer, and lyrics aren't your strong point, so
> > what's left: the overall sound, the melody, the aural atmosphere, is
> > everything. Therefore, as long as your tracks are low-fi and under-
> > produced, AND your melodies unremarkable, you're like a morbidly
> > overweight mountain climber wearing ankle weights. Dylan didn't
> > need to sing pretty - listen to the words, and his very underrated
> > grasp of melody, which transcended his meager production values;
> > indeed, "improved" production values would have been impediments to
> > the overall effect. Mike Skinner of The Streets can't rap worth
> > shit, at least in terms of flow, but his laser-sharp attention to
> > the details of life, and the wisdom of his self-deprecating post-
> > rave observations, make him irresistible, and identifiable within
> > two syllables of hearing him. Tom Waits makes the hair on my back
> > stand on end, and, christ, I don't even HAVE hair on my back; Floyd
> > (to whom you refer in regards to your own stuff) got away with a
> > good deal of lyrical ambiguity, even laziness in that regard, but
> > their ability to paint a landscape of sound, and the Gilmour/Waters'
> > deft alacrity for creating a permeating and infectious mood, was
> > usually more than enough to keep the listener's interest (to say the
> > least), and again, the resulting product was so
> > quintessentially "Floyd" that the subsequent imitators, intentional
> > or unintentional, are innumerable. What do all the above-mentioned
> > artists share? DISTINCTIVENESS. They have their own, distinctive,
> > cosmic DNA. They may have influences, but they have used those
> > influences as springboards for flight, not asa leash tethering them
> > to what has gone before. The most interesting people - the people
> > we fall in love with forever, for example - are the people who are
> > LIKE NOBODY ELSE we have ever met. They may not be the prettiest or
> > the smartest, but if they're like nobody else, they get inside us,
> > and we can't shake them, even when the prettier and smarter ones
> > come along. Whether it be lovers, or cars, or clothes, or food, or
> > that house up the street with the cool shrubbery, or any kind of
> > art, whatever - if it stands on its own, if it is UNMISTAKABLY
> > UNIQUE - we value it, despite its imperfections and flaws, and
> > sometimes that value is even enhanced by its imperfections and
> > flaws. No: it's ALWAYS enhanced by those imperfections.
> > Perfection is a myth. Love rests in our ability to acknowledge and
> > accept imperfection in others, as we acknowledge it within
> > ourselves, thus finding a connection - we love ourselves when we are
> > able to accept our own imperfections, and, when we see our true
> > imperfect selves reflected in art, we cherish that art as supremely
> > lovable and unique.
> >
> > (hang on, lemme take another drink)
> >
> > Ahhhh... okay, so, ccocsls: all you need to do is make music which
> > is like nobody else's, with it's own DNA, which evokes an internal
> > response not dependent upon singing ability or melody or production
> > values.
> >
> > If you can't do that, then quit. Why fuck around, eh?
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > (I really need to start saving this shit I write. It's too good for
> > this miserable site.)
> >
> > - byrd
> >
> > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, "ccocsls"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > byrdbrane2,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the honest critique. Lyrics have never been my
> > > strongest quality in my writing and with the vocals, knew that that
> > > was something I would be hammered on.
> > >
> > > Again I appreciate your honest evaluation and taking time to listen
> > > and will definately consider your critiques.
> > >
> > > - ccocsls
> > >
> > > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, byrdbrane2
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Listened to two of 'em so far, here goes:
> > > >
> > > > "Changing" Okay, point taken on the vocals. Problem is that
> > > > they're so bad I find it hard to find the intended melody, but
> > what
> > > > I'm able to discern of it isn't a very interesting one. This
> > song
> > > > reminds me stylistically of some of Cobain's quieter stuff, but
> > > > without any of the lyrical intensity, withouth the
> > > > development. "Nothing's changing" is an apt irony here. The
> > musical
> > > > build doesn't deliver, because there's nothing lyrically which
> > takes
> > > > us anywhere from Point A. I mean, this isn't gawd-awful
> > dreadful or
> > > > anything, it's just... nothing. Neither the subject manner nor
> > its
> > > > treatment are at all compelling. It has little reason to exist
> > as a
> > > > song.
> > > >
> > > > "Just Before" The cheesy sound effects aren't a problem, I
> > get
> > > > what you're trying to do there. This is in fact a Floydish
> > song.
> > > > This one suffers from "Changing's" malady - it's a boring,
> > vaporous
> > > > nothing of a song. There's nothing to care about in it, not much
> > to
> > > > keep the listener listening. The words are absolutely vague,
> > which
> > > > is fine as a technique and can work, but not when they're also
> > non-
> > > > evocative, as these words are. There's an overall energy void
> > in
> > > > this song, in both songs actually, and it's not because of the
> > > > singer. Again: I've heard waaaay worse, but signs of life -
> > > > musically, lyrically - are barely recognizable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > byrd
> > > >
> > > > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, "ccocsls"
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am just a guy with a home recording studio who
> > > > writes/plays/records
> > > > > his own music in what little time I can spare. I am primarily
> > an
> > > > > amateur songwriter/producer. I have a few songs posted on
> > > > > SoundClick.com and I am looking for some critiques on what I
> > have
> > > > done
> > > > > so far. As of now I have four songs posted. Below is the
> > link to
> > > > the
> > > > > page:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/libertysmithmusic.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not a singer so please no comments on my horrible singing
> > > > efforts
> > > > > :). I am aware of how much my singing sucks. The vocals are
> > there
> > > > as
> > > > > "guide vocals" to give you the listener an idea of how vocals
> > > > > correspond to the song and also where I am going lyrically.
> > You can
> > > > > "copy/paste" the information below to give your rating for
> > various
> > > > > fileds in each song in your reply (1 being the lowest score 5
> > being
> > > > > the highest). Thanks for visiting my page and I hope you
> > enjoy my
> > > > > songs!
> > > > >
> > > > > Song Name - Changing
> > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > this ;) )
> > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Song Name - Just Before the Storm
> > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > this ;) )
> > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Song Name - Gone Now
> > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > this ;) )
> > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Song Name - This Way
> > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > this ;) )
> > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Once again, thank you for taking time to visit my page and I
> > look
> > > > > forward to your replys!
> > > > >
> > > > > - ccocsls
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:05:30 -0800
> > From: Louden Swain
> > Subject: Unplugged and Na*k*ed
> >
> > Louden Swain has a good thing going. We've been stripping down the songs,
> > and sometimes stripping down our bass player Mike, and playing the shit raw.
> > YOU get to actually hear our music, WE get to sit down and attempt to act
> > civilized. People are digging it. You will too.
> >
> > Thursday, Feb. 10th, 8 pm sharp!
> > Universal Bar & Grill (NOT at citywalk.....)
> > 4093 Lankershim Blvd. N. Hollywood
> > $5 with this email
> >
> > http://www.LoudenSwain.com
> >
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> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:02:01 -0000
> > From: "malverne6"
> > Subject: Re: Looking for critiques
> >
> > ah byrd
> > humble as ever
> > and you did say a mouthful...
> > one caveat
> > dylan actually is a hell of a singer
> > just not (as you said ) a "pretty" one
> > read his new book recently
> > what an eye for detail
> > and surprisingly appreciative
> > of people whose music influenced
> > or touched him
> > best
> > worst
> > malverne
> >
> > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, byrdbrane2
> >
> > >
> > > Fair enough: here, then, is your dilemma as I see it. You are
> > > admittedly not a singer, and lyrics aren't your strong point, so
> > > what's left: the overall sound, the melody, the aural
> > atmosphere, is
> > > everything. Therefore, as long as your tracks are low-fi and
> > under-
> > > produced, AND your melodies unremarkable, you're like a
> > morbidly
> > > overweight mountain climber wearing ankle weights. Dylan
> > didn't
> > > need to sing pretty - listen to the words, and his very
> > underrated
> > > grasp of melody, which transcended his meager production
> > values;
> > > indeed, "improved" production values would have been
> > impediments to
> > > the overall effect. Mike Skinner of The Streets can't rap worth
> > > shit, at least in terms of flow, but his laser-sharp attention to
> > > the details of life, and the wisdom of his self-deprecating post-
> > > rave observations, make him irresistible, and identifiable
> > within
> > > two syllables of hearing him. Tom Waits makes the hair on my
> > back
> > > stand on end, and, christ, I don't even HAVE hair on my back;
> > Floyd
> > > (to whom you refer in regards to your own stuff) got away with a
> > > good deal of lyrical ambiguity, even laziness in that regard, but
> > > their ability to paint a landscape of sound, and the
> > Gilmour/Waters'
> > > deft alacrity for creating a permeating and infectious mood,
> > was
> > > usually more than enough to keep the listener's interest (to say
> > the
> > > least), and again, the resulting product was so
> > > quintessentially "Floyd" that the subsequent imitators,
> > intentional
> > > or unintentional, are innumerable. What do all the
> > above-mentioned
> > > artists share? DISTINCTIVENESS. They have their own,
> > distinctive,
> > > cosmic DNA. They may have influences, but they have used
> > those
> > > influences as springboards for flight, not asa leash tethering
> > them
> > > to what has gone before. The most interesting people - the
> > people
> > > we fall in love with forever, for example - are the people who
> > are
> > > LIKE NOBODY ELSE we have ever met. They may not be the
> > prettiest or
> > > the smartest, but if they're like nobody else, they get inside us,
> > > and we can't shake them, even when the prettier and smarter
> > ones
> > > come along. Whether it be lovers, or cars, or clothes, or food,
> > or
> > > that house up the street with the cool shrubbery, or any kind of
> > > art, whatever - if it stands on its own, if it is UNMISTAKABLY
> > > UNIQUE - we value it, despite its imperfections and flaws, and
> > > sometimes that value is even enhanced by its imperfections
> > and
> > > flaws. No: it's ALWAYS enhanced by those imperfections.
> > > Perfection is a myth. Love rests in our ability to acknowledge
> > and
> > > accept imperfection in others, as we acknowledge it within
> > > ourselves, thus finding a connection - we love ourselves when
> > we are
> > > able to accept our own imperfections, and, when we see our
> > true
> > > imperfect selves reflected in art, we cherish that art as
> > supremely
> > > lovable and unique.
> > >
> > > (hang on, lemme take another drink)
> > >
> > > Ahhhh... okay, so, ccocsls: all you need to do is make music
> > which
> > > is like nobody else's, with it's own DNA, which evokes an
> > internal
> > > response not dependent upon singing ability or melody or
> > production
> > > values.
> > >
> > > If you can't do that, then quit. Why fuck around, eh?
> > >
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> > > (I really need to start saving this shit I write. It's too good for
> > > this miserable site.)
> > >
> > > - byrd
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, "ccocsls"
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > byrdbrane2,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the honest critique. Lyrics have never been my
> > > > strongest quality in my writing and with the vocals, knew that
> > that
> > > > was something I would be hammered on.
> > > >
> > > > Again I appreciate your honest evaluation and taking time to
> > listen
> > > > and will definately consider your critiques.
> > > >
> > > > - ccocsls
> > > >
> > > > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, byrdbrane2
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Listened to two of 'em so far, here goes:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Changing" Okay, point taken on the vocals. Problem is
> > that
> > > > > they're so bad I find it hard to find the intended melody, but
> > > what
> > > > > I'm able to discern of it isn't a very interesting one. This
> > > song
> > > > > reminds me stylistically of some of Cobain's quieter stuff,
> > but
> > > > > without any of the lyrical intensity, withouth the
> > > > > development. "Nothing's changing" is an apt irony here.
> > The
> > > musical
> > > > > build doesn't deliver, because there's nothing lyrically
> > which
> > > takes
> > > > > us anywhere from Point A. I mean, this isn't gawd-awful
> > > dreadful or
> > > > > anything, it's just... nothing. Neither the subject manner nor
> > > its
> > > > > treatment are at all compelling. It has little reason to exist
> > > as a
> > > > > song.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Just Before" The cheesy sound effects aren't a problem, I
> > > get
> > > > > what you're trying to do there. This is in fact a Floydish
> > > song.
> > > > > This one suffers from "Changing's" malady - it's a boring,
> > > vaporous
> > > > > nothing of a song. There's nothing to care about in it, not
> > much
> > > to
> > > > > keep the listener listening. The words are absolutely
> > vague,
> > > which
> > > > > is fine as a technique and can work, but not when they're
> > also
> > > non-
> > > > > evocative, as these words are. There's an overall energy
> > void
> > > in
> > > > > this song, in both songs actually, and it's not because of
> > the
> > > > > singer. Again: I've heard waaaay worse, but signs of life -
> > > > > musically, lyrically - are barely recognizable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > byrd
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In songwritersandpoets@yahoogroups.com, "ccocsls"
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am just a guy with a home recording studio who
> > > > > writes/plays/records
> > > > > > his own music in what little time I can spare. I am
> > primarily
> > > an
> > > > > > amateur songwriter/producer. I have a few songs posted
> > on
> > > > > > SoundClick.com and I am looking for some critiques on
> > what I
> > > have
> > > > > done
> > > > > > so far. As of now I have four songs posted. Below is the
> > > link to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > page:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/libertysmithmusic.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not a singer so please no comments on my horrible
> > singing
> > > > > efforts
> > > > > > :). I am aware of how much my singing sucks. The vocals
> > are
> > > there
> > > > > as
> > > > > > "guide vocals" to give you the listener an idea of how
> > vocals
> > > > > > correspond to the song and also where I am going
> > lyrically.
> > > You can
> > > > > > "copy/paste" the information below to give your rating for
> > > various
> > > > > > fileds in each song in your reply (1 being the lowest score
> > 5
> > > being
> > > > > > the highest). Thanks for visiting my page and I hope you
> > > enjoy my
> > > > > > songs!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Song Name - Changing
> > > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > > this ;) )
> > > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Song Name - Just Before the Storm
> > > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > > this ;) )
> > > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Song Name - Gone Now
> > > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > > this ;) )
> > > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Song Name - This Way
> > > > > > Vocals - [1] (Saving you the trouble of critiquing
> > > this ;) )
> > > > > > Lyrics - [ ]
> > > > > > Music - [ ]
> > > > > > Production - [ ]
> > > > > > Overall - [ ]
> > > > > > Personal Comments/Suggestions -
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once again, thank you for taking time to visit my page and
> > I
> > > look
> > > > > > forward to your replys!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - ccocsls
> >
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