Fair enough. You are not one of those "we hate Bush, so we'll hold something his grandfather did against him, and just ignore that people who were associated with people we worship did exactly the same thng" kind of people.
I just think there is a LOT of revisionism about the pre-WWII period. In the US, there were a lot of people that didn't want to get involved at all. There were a lot of people (not just Errol Flynn and Douglas Fairbanks) who were for getting in on the war effort on the Nazi side. We have to remember that when the US joined the war on the Allied side, that put the US on the same side as Stalin. It would have been very hard to get the US into the war on any side without Pearl Harbor. That stirred people up; propaganda finished the job. It's amusing to see (now suppressed) WWII propaganda cartoons from Warners and Disney that showed Uncle Joe (Stalin) in a heroic light. As soon as the war was over, the US announced a new enemy (they'd already picked the enemy out before the war was over). Some people were a bit disillusioned by the whole thing - the handful of people that remembered the new enemy was our friend in the war to end all wars.
But anyway, the US had discovered that war time spending had to continue, even in peace time, so the cold war, and the war on terror, and evil empires and the axis of evil and other such comic book concepts that make intelligent people hang their heads in embarrassment had to be invented. While the right hand was finding enemies under every rock, the left hand was doing business with them, before, during and after WWII.
Poor schlubs like us believe the propaganda and play by the rules - but the smart people of the republic, blue, red or purple - the Prescott/Walker/
I am afraid that to say that Prescott Bush did business with Nazis long after he should have stopped, but that puts him in the company of many other capitalists and politicians, but that doesn't make him or the others Nazi sympathizers is splitting a very fine hair. They are all fascists and thus put profit above any moral issue - whether or not they were Nazi fascists is a very fine distinction that holds no interest for me.
On 7/2/07, Matt Love < matt.mattlove1@gmail.com > wrote:Let's try to make sure we remain in the reality-based community. Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathiser. He did business with Nazis long after he should have stopped, but that puts him in the company of many other capitalists and politicians.Averill Harriman, for example, a Democratic politician served in the Administration of Harry Truman (a little monster much admired and loved by both Democrats and Republicans today) and Allen Dulles, who served in both Democratic (Truman and Kennedy) and Republican (Eisenhower) regimes.
It's good to bring these things to light, but unfortunately, when you start digging, you start finding both red and blue roots in the muck.
I should mention that Ralph "as bad as Hitler" Nader is not and has never been a member of the Nazi Party, nor has he ever financed Nazis or recycled Nazis into the space program or intelligence on border of the Soviet Empire.On 7/2/07, Larry Wilson < larry@larry-wilson.com > wrote:Fascism could be called the dictatorship of the corporations, whereas communism is called the dictatorship of the proletariat. True freedom never seems to include a dictatorship of any kind.
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From: ShunkW <shunkw@sbcglobal.net >
Date: Jul 2, 2007 4:30 PM
Subject: [Out_Of_The_Frying_Pan] George Seldes talks fascism and corporatism
To: shunkw@sbcglobal.net
One of my "heroes" has long been George Seldes…..possibly the GREATEST "muckraker" in modern history….He interviewed the Chancellor of Germany after World War I and the US Government saw fit to censor the interview….many people think if it hadn't been censored that World War II could have been avoided….He was kicked out of the Soviet Union after he interviewed Stalin and during Mussolini's rise of modern fascism in Italy he had to be smuggled out in the trunk of a car to avoid being shot. He wrote a wonderful piece called "Facts and Fascism" that clearly points out the connection with fascism and corporatism even IN THE US….and while the US media reported about it in other countries, basically the people running the US media were corporatists/
fascists themselves…He also individually lists how to recognize fascism…and it is amazing how closely the things he wrote in 1943 haven't changed in all that time….It isn't a coincidence that it was a Bush that help fund the Nazis…..
"Facts and Fascism"
http://www.thirdwor
ldtraveler. com/George_ Seldes/Facts_ and_Fascism. html
Some years back Tim Robbins and Quinton Terrintino did a documentary about his life and named it after his book "Tell the Truth and RUN"….
http://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/ George_Seldes
People that tell the truth under personal risk like he and Socrates have ALWAYS been my "heroes"….
Sw
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Larry
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist".
Winston Churchhill
Silence is abdication. Abdication is consent. Be Loud. - Anon
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable." - JFK
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